TIRTA
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Post by TIRTA on Jul 23, 2014 17:48:40 GMT 8
There are some thugs around. Before this, there was a list circulated around to allow people to get to know the committees, however this was taken advantage by the thugs as a target of passive aggressive actions which also resulted in a few police reports being made. So that list was withdrawn to provide safety to the committees. The 'flyer' of the printed words in bold are passed to the committees. Just my own personal opinion having to stay in a few different countries, most Malaysians do have a problem following rules. The committees are aware of the complaints. And what turns out as a good intention is currently back fired. One of them will suggest to revert everything back to before and let all those parking filled up as before and others to deal with the limited parkings. And also to deal with it themselves if parking was parked by someone else. I talked to a few with families staying around here who like those improvements but those who don't like it are using a more aggressive way of getting what they want. In Malaysia, usually thugs win. There were already 2 incidents of visitors parking inside an owner bay, the owner asked to clamp but the visitor refused to pay the fine, go out to buy tools and cut ooen the lock of the clamp. Police reports were made of course. But the report doesn't prevent a second happening of the same situation. They just pay the fine snd they got away. So thugs win isn't it? 1. Do you think that you can give those "thugs" a lesson or catch them by applying all these rules? Is the rule is effective? Or it just cause a new turmoil. It happened that a stranger parked on my spot. And i asked security to clamp. At that time, i left my phone number to security in case the culprit was not happy with that. Then i would happily face this culprit. That's all! In case of vandalism of management or building property/amenity, the management should rule it in the separate case. 2. Just wondering in which countries did you stay. I only know the west European countries (by experience) which apply the rule based on common sense and in democratic way  Again.. from all of your explanations, it is just only about a couple of RATS that the management cannot catch  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 20:14:46 GMT 8
I've stayed in Japan, Singapore and Australia (Melbourne) and I like the way the people think of others like they do follow rules (please exclude Singapore because that country is due to the fine) with only crossing at designated area. Red means stop and no speeding. From small to big, they are good Well, actually, I will say that it is not the management who can't catch them. They are just a bit harder to deal with, the committee and the management knew who these people are. It is like finding the best way to deal with these people still and some of them are not Malaysians. So, yeah, that is why, I mean, let's do this in another way, shall we? No angry words or putting down others, it can really be quite hurtful. And those threats hurled out? Those are pretty terrifying (at least to me) especially one IMU student who claims he has a gun. Thanks |
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TIRTA
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Post by TIRTA on Jul 23, 2014 21:38:28 GMT 8
It case of such threat or criminal act, you can contact us here. I believe the gentlemen in our community can help you out so you don't need to face it by yourself. That's what the community is here for |
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kochin
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Post by kochin on Jul 23, 2014 21:56:46 GMT 8
Ladies and gentlemen, we are all here for one common goal.
To try to make covillea a better place to live.
Let's go over this issue and move on.
No point pro longing what has been past.
Let bygones be bygones and move forward.
Now that we all understand everybody a little better, let us all contribute in a more effective way and try to put in constructive criticism to improve.
No point emphasing and repeat what is history.
Again, my humble 2 c.
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Post by raymondkwa on Jul 24, 2014 9:57:19 GMT 8
The committee should not simply issues any notice or memo changing one rule to the other, and before any notice issued, the new 'regulations' shall be voted by majority and all 'words' and 'clauses' must be clearly define.
The bad example was the '4 hours Parking', before this 'rule', there was another rule of '1 hour owner parking' if i m not mistaken, in the '4 hours Parking', there is a clause stated - Owners and Tenants are allowed to use this facilities, this is the point that i am arguing with the mgmt why i am not allowed to use this facility if the notice already clearly mentioned? Do not create some rules with terms and conditions that always confuse people!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:10:27 GMT 8
To Tirta and Kochin, yes, I agree. We have to move forward and do what is best.
On those threats, not to worry, a police report has been made. The police officer did say that at this point of time, there is nothing he can do other than asked the committees to be more careful.
Raymondkwa, I can understand why you are upset. I found out from another owner that the management seems to be giving contradicting information. The committees are actually not happy with the management because they are too slow in responding and the committees have to always check with them whether this or that is done or this or that is confirmed. They are trying their best to help the management. The management office already also sent another person as a reinforcement to the management because they say the person managing it, is 'drowning'. Please do be informed that the committees are dealing with the inefficiency of the management on top of them giving contradicting information from what is being agreed on.
Thanks
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Post by jsf on Jul 25, 2014 19:47:52 GMT 8
Fellow Covilleans,
Communication is vital because we cannot read one another's mind.
To all good intentions, if it is not made known and the recipient is caught by surprise with a new rule or regulation, he/she will not be pleased especially if the new rule/regulation is not making his/her life better.
I read one posting (sorry, I have forgotten who posted it) in which the owner posted it mildly. It was something like this "as the owner I have to park my car outside while the visitor gets to park inside". It was with the new ruling. I felt his hurt straightaway. He was gentleman enough to express his thoughts and feelings in the forum. No threats, no foul language, no retaliation.
No man nor woman can serve two masters. So we cannot please everyone. But all of us need to listen intently.
I truly appreciate the work of the committee who are willing to slog for the good of all. And you are not paid. And if things are not going the way you want them to, it is not your collective fault. I firmly believe that fellow Covilleans do appreciate you all as you try to make Covillean even better than before.
But bearing in mind the worse thing you can do to any human being is being indifferent and being non responsive. If a problem is not resolved or at least listened to, it is smouldering underneath.
All these expressions in the Forum are actually good because it allows everyone with grievances to come out in the open to express the truth of their feelings.
If I read their messages correctly:
1) none of them want to be treated as kids.
2) They know that rules if applied for the common good should, by all means, be implemented.
3) But first let it be made known and have a 50% consensus.
4) Communicate through whatever media so that no one is kept in the dark or caught by surprise. If there are owner residents or tenanted owners who seek to discuss, open to discussion. This, I believe, will build up the pride of ownership and accountability from every owner.
Once again I wish to express, in no particular order, my heartfelt thanks to each and everyone for your contributions in making this forum come alive:
Kochin, Management Committee, Tirta, Chinmi, Wee Loong, Raymondkwa, kct, Rakyat Malaysia.
Let us all continue to build on our strength. It is in the heart and mind of every Covillean to make Covillea ever better than before.
Let us all do it.
Thank you.
jsf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 14:59:07 GMT 8
Hi fellow Covilleans, I agree totally that we have to work together for a safe, healthy and happy community.
There was an informal meeting today to address th complaints where a collective decisions were made to improve the parking rules and car waiting rules which will be carried out formally after the committee had a formal meeting with the security company this coming Thursday. In short those improvements are in summary:
1. 4 hours parking rule will be abolished and parking till midnight is allowed and guards have to do their job to identify those who will abuse the flexibility.
2. There will be 1 or 2 parking lots allocated for those who wish to wait for others without off their engine.
Please do refer to formal notice after the coming Thursday for the details if the management is fast enough.
I would like to share the knowledge that the committees are not aware of those complaints because the management didn't alert them. It is sad to say that they knew it from this forum after being highlighted by some owners.
So for the next step onthis matter, the committees are looking at another management company for the job unless there are improvements. Accounts details are also not being tabulated well in details and the committees are extremely angry about this.
Thanks
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Post by jsf on Jul 26, 2014 19:05:59 GMT 8
First and foremost a big "Thank You" to the committee for acting promptly as well as adopting an open heart and an open mind to address issues that may divide the family of Covilleans.
Life is indeed a learning process and we improve as we go along.
The 2 critical issues of the 4 hours parking rule and the switching off of car engine while waiting, are eased as per your summary. Perhaps some kind of monitoring or fine tuning, if required, need to be carried out to ensure it has fulfilled its goal of fulfilling communal living. I sincerely hope no one gets upset when suggestions are put forth for continuous improvement. Would it be good to adopt an attitude of 'NEVER TO PERMANENTLY HURT DUE TO A TEMPORARY UPSET"?
Everything cannot be done at one go. We all need to focus, addressing one or two issues at a time. And that is why we get better as we keep improving and keep growing. Thank you for having that thought.
Finally one last thought. Do owners feel controlled? Just food for thought.
Let there be open communication in the forum so that every one is consciously aware of another's need.
Kind regards.
jsf
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jv
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Post by jv on Jul 28, 2014 21:13:43 GMT 8
Hi all, appreciate clarification on visitor parking.
Had an unpleasant encounter with the security on 27th July afternoon as I wanted to park at the visitor parking for 1 hour. Contrary to the previous circular that allowed we as owners to park there for 4 hours, the security rejected my request upright (do correct me if I'm wrong).
Notwithstanding, I insisted and he asked for my IC which to me is nonsensical given that my car sticker and access cards would have sufficed to prove my residency. In my opinion some time indulgence should be given to the owners to park at the visitors parking, especially useful for those parking on the fifth floor looking to make a short run back home and to leave shortly thereafter. I understand the dilemma involved if the visitor car park is full but it is quite ridiculous to be so rigid if there are ample parking spaces available at that moment.
On clamping, I do hope that security has fully exhausted their means of contacting the vehicle owner before resorting to clamping. As a firm believer of good corporate governance, I strongly believe that the best practice is transparency and I do hope that all the rules or any changes to it are well documented and the committee members should take pride and responsibility in whatever they do.
My low and humble opinion. Tq.
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Post by plb on Aug 20, 2014 10:41:54 GMT 8
Hi,
Appreciate the committee or anyone to share about the outcome of the parking rules.
Also, is there a way for non-committee owner to to know how the management fee is being utilized?
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