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Post by TIRTA on Jul 21, 2014 18:34:20 GMT 8
I suggest that we meet the committee members to discuss it. Anyone from committee here?
We set the time where we all can meet up and get the win-win solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 19:24:49 GMT 8
I know the committee do meet to talk about pressing issues at least once a month. Each meets lasted 4 to 5 hours so don't think there will be any additional time for this discussion. Maybe just catch one and present ur ideas and let that guy present it to get discussed/approved?
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Post by kct on Jul 21, 2014 21:10:40 GMT 8
I think rules are acceptable just need to balance the restrictive vs convenience. Anyone know what is the reason car engine need to be turn off at the waiting area. Even shopping malls and other condo don't impose this kind of rule. It's should be advise to turn off not impose as I know a few Covilleans was approached by guards to ask them to turn off. The notice there should be sufficient for awareness. Not to mandate it. Sometimes people just wait a while for people to come down from their home. It's is also not fuel efficient if you stop and start engine within that short period of time.
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TIRTA
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Post by TIRTA on Jul 21, 2014 21:16:53 GMT 8
My understanding, it is a part of committee's commitment to cater aspiration/feedback from residents. Not to be an "untouchable" body. Because they are also a part of the residents Else it would narrow the functional meaning of committee. Since it seems that you know well the Covillean committee, it would be great if you can link us to them. Anyway, we would like also to know each of them personally Each of us here have a common picture to make Covillea a better place. I don't see the whole discussion as a negative intention.
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Post by weeloong on Jul 21, 2014 21:56:34 GMT 8
Rules can be apply, but reasonable. Pls bare in mind, management not enforcement! Personally, I think this forum is good, as owners & tenants can share as well as gather informations. Pls do not criticize ppl. Thank you & have a nice day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 22:18:02 GMT 8
I know some of the members but I would need to have their consent before having to introduce them. After all they already have their fair share of stressed and threats from others. The right way should be to go via management. On the other hand, I also saw a paper printing of saying in short 'what are the guards doing patrolling checking for car stickers.. bla.. bla..' There was even a foul word being used. Has some of us sunk so low to resort to this immature way of dealing with things? Is this the way we are going to be going forward? Turning car engine off while waiting is due to the waiting area being not that huge that the smoke coming from exhaust pipe is harmful to children especially. The management body was trying to create a healthier environment for the kids and adults alike. I think I better not write a lot here as well, later I will also get assaulted.
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TIRTA
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Post by TIRTA on Jul 22, 2014 11:02:56 GMT 8
I know some of the members but I would need to have their consent before having to introduce them. After all they already have their fair share of stressed and threats from others. The right way should be to go via management. On the other hand, I also saw a paper printing of saying in short 'what are the guards doing patrolling checking for car stickers.. bla.. bla..' There was even a foul word being used. Has some of us sunk so low to resort to this immature way of dealing with things? Is this the way we are going to be going forward? Turning car engine off while waiting is due to the waiting area being not that huge that the smoke coming from exhaust pipe is harmful to children especially. The management body was trying to create a healthier environment for the kids and adults alike. I think I better not write a lot here as well, later I will also get assaulted. Thanks. Paper printing? Which one? This is new. Please collect this to clarify later. This is the situation that we all need to resolve, but not to runaway from. You can't stamp everybody as a thug just because you might have had unpleasant experience in your past. Well i just gave my best shot to open the communication.
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Post by kochin on Jul 22, 2014 11:48:50 GMT 8
wah... a quiet forum suddenly so many responses? i wonder why. sigh...
i'm a technical guy and from my observation, this forum is just a platform to share. with only 80+ registered members and some i am pretty sure are not owners, it's fairly safe to say it DOES NOT represent the majority.
which brings me to the next concern of mine, covillea's dissemination of information is just not cutting it. while i do not reside in covillea, i made the effort to participate in the AGM because i receive notices. post AGM, i was fairly disappointed that things took a serious turns for the worse. among my complaints: 1. no introduction to committee member. usually after AGM is carried out, minutes are distributed to ALL owners. it also usually provide details of the committee member so that owners know who to go to for advise or any other matters pertaining to the property. now i know the saying that nobody can please everybody at the same time. and especially works done are not only unappreciated but was degenerated by others are the worse. but having said so, committee members must fully understand the responsibilities of these task. if the members feels that the job is tiring and difficult and demanding, all the more a good and professional property manager is required to fully run the management and just report in detail to the committee for accountability. a property is only as good as its management. 2. appointment of the present property manager. i have had a series of less than pleasant dealings with them. eg. delays in insurance (this is a very big problem!), what happen if there were fire during the lapse of period where insurance were not procured?, no answering of the telephone during office hours, delays in invoices, and many more. with no ill-intention towards the property manager, i wonder what was the pre-qualification towards selection of the property manager. i did recommended a property manager to be evaluated as i find that they were pretty good and actually improved and added value to a property i happen to be in and was pretty satisfied. but sadly they were not invited at all. 3. i read about some of the so called newly implemented rules in this forum. i am truly pissed not because of the rules but because they were absolutely no notices to the owners. how can we react if we are not kept in the loop at all? i sincerely hope communication through a more open platform can be shared. a general notice on the notice board is not public notice. it only permits residents and tenants residing in the property during their stay within that period to have 'opporunity' to read it. what about the owners or tenants who are not residing in covillea much. what is so difficult in having more communication platforms vide the management? fb, paper print notices to all notice board, mailbox and send to owner's registered address, emails, whatsapp, wechat, line, etc. i am sorry if i am again being a minority. but i strongly believe management is to be held responsible to disseminate these information to ALL owners & tenants residing inside and outside of covillea.
suggestion: 1. establish a line of communication through a public platform. i applaud the owner of this forum for taking the first step. but sadly owners participation is very little here. perhaps a check in the registry of owners through the logs in the management office would reveal owner's contact details. and from there to have a workable platform to share and communicate. if the owners choose to opt out, at least there's paper trail to show that measures have been taken. 2. try to seek consensus prior to implementation of any policies or rules. in strata title act, it's almost impossible to garner majority and unanimous. so threshold should be established. no point saying you are minority or majority. let the numbers show themselves. vote. say if we fix the threshold as 50%, each new policy or rules would need to garner 50% approval prior to implementation. this is just my suggestions.
cheers!
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Post by raymondkwa on Jul 22, 2014 13:35:39 GMT 8
When is the next AGM meeting? Do we really need to wait all these issue to be voted (not even resolved) in the next meeting? I have been written/faxed few letters to the mgmt about '4 hours Parking' issue since one month ago, no feedback and no call at all! The mgmt office also cant do anything on this........
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Post by raymondkwa on Jul 22, 2014 13:41:24 GMT 8
Sorry guy, i do feel i m a kindergarten student while staying in Covillea. Teacher said no engine on, wear sticker, no short parking, if not i will clamp u and fine you. Teacher, the school really so poor meh?
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Post by weeloong on Jul 22, 2014 18:47:24 GMT 8
Sorry guy, i do feel i m a kindergarten student while staying in Covillea. Teacher said no engine on, wear sticker, no short parking, if not i will clamp u and fine you. Teacher, the school really so poor meh? Later on teacher will say, "if you not happy & agree with the rules, can balik kampung! No one is complaint only you!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 12:16:43 GMT 8
There are some thugs around. Before this, there was a list circulated around to allow people to get to know the committees, however this was taken advantage by the thugs as a target of passive aggressive actions which also resulted in a few police reports being made. So that list was withdrawn to provide safety to the committees.
The 'flyer' of the printed words in bold are passed to the committees. Just my own personal opinion having to stay in a few different countries, most Malaysians do have a problem following rules.
The committees are aware of the complaints. And what turns out as a good intention is currently back fired. One of them will suggest to revert everything back to before and let all those parking filled up as before and others to deal with the limited parkings. And also to deal with it themselves if parking was parked by someone else.
I talked to a few with families staying around here who like those improvements but those who don't like it are using a more aggressive way of getting what they want. In Malaysia, usually thugs win.
There were already 2 incidents of visitors parking inside an owner bay, the owner asked to clamp but the visitor refused to pay the fine, go out to buy tools and cut ooen the lock of the clamp. Police reports were made of course. But the report doesn't prevent a second happening of the same situation. They just pay the fine snd they got away. So thugs win isn't it?
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Post by kochin on Jul 23, 2014 12:28:34 GMT 8
hi chinmi, am not aware there was a circulated list. was this in the notice board or was it official notification through mails to mailboxes? maybe my tenant took it.
for visitors in owner bays, as i'd stressed, i am in whole agreement to clamp the car if owner lodge a complaint of someone in their spot. in fact any vehicle not authorized by owner in their spot should be clamp once they lodge a complaint. this is my suggestion.
let's review this 2 cases you have highlighted. case 1. visitor refuse to pay fine and buy tools to unlock himself. why? could it be the RM100 penalty is too high? case 2. visitor paid fine and got away. isn't that the whole point? what else would you rather have?
you seems to be a bit negative on malaysians with your vast experience living in more developed countries. but one thing in life i have learnt is not to fight fire with fire. thugs are big bullies. but like it or not, we can't behave like thugs to fight thugs. no matter how hard we need to do the right thing and the right thing usually is a much more difficult path.
i appreciate the committee to try to improve things but let's do it together in a more collective manner. let's provide a platform and a chance for others to provide their feedback, irrespective of whether you are right and they are wrong.
otherwise, keep up the good work! thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 12:57:00 GMT 8
kochin, there might be some misunderstanding on my previous post, I apologize for that.
case 1: visitor refused to pay the fine but he/she parked at owner's bay and the owner himself asked to clamp it. The offender was trying to talk his way to not pay at all giving a lot of excuses. The committees with the management dealt with this issue for more than 1 day.
case 2: he got away meaning he is only willing to pay the RM 100 fine after a police report but not paying for the clamp that he broke and the management had to fork out some RM 200 to buy a new one. I am just saying that this seems like a bit unfair because he damaged it, and just apologize and pay RM 100 and the management (our maintenance fees) has to be used to buy a new clamp
No, I definitely do not have the intention to fight fire with fire. I know that will not work. It's like Gandhi said an eye for an eye, all will be blind. A bit negative, perhaps, I can't disagree on this. Anyway, on the parking thing, that is why I am informing on earlier post that the coming committee meeting, they are addressing this parking issue and there will be suggestion to remove the 4 hours parking rule. (Whether or not it is going to be approved is out of the control of the person suggesting it) *By the way, I am not a committee member
Thanks for being part of those acknowledging the work of the committees. I am sure if they hear it, they will be very happy. They are stressed to the point where they just want to resign and I hope not because they are currently doing quite a good job in terms of maintenance, management and security, especially when dealing with some rowdy tenants and rough students. They are also making sure the outlook of Covillea remains good to ensure the property price will not come down. Also on beautifying of the place.
Thanks
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Post by weeloong on Jul 23, 2014 14:10:54 GMT 8
Hi, hope new & reasonable rules to be implemented. Also, thanks to Ko Chin feedbacks really much appreciated.
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